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(09:02:04 PM) ausimage: So... let get it on (09:02:32 PM) ausimage: Nominations.... No nominations have been recieved... so that is at a stand still ATM (09:02:40 PM) ***cprofitt nods (09:02:47 PM) cprofitt: what do we do in the case of no nominations? (09:02:54 PM) ausimage: President, Secretary, Treasurer and At-Large are open (09:03:25 PM) ausimage: We could pick names... are just ack the current active officers IMHO... (09:03:38 PM) ausimage: not sure if the bylaws state much about this... (09:03:47 PM) cprofitt: I do not remember any... (09:03:59 PM) cprofitt: hal14450, could nominate you and you him... (09:04:06 PM) cprofitt: or Dave123 could nominate you both (09:04:07 PM) ausimage: ;) (09:04:31 PM) cprofitt: I am recusing myself :-) (09:04:46 PM) ausimage: I am going to suggest to still send me any nomination (09:05:07 PM) ausimage: AFIAC Treasurer and At-Large are vacant (09:05:08 PM) hal14450: well i think cprofitt is doing a hell of a job and deserves a nomination for pres (09:05:36 PM) ausimage: Well... there is now a nomination to consider ;) (09:05:55 PM) hal14450: no offense ausimage but i had to give him acknowledgment (09:06:02 PM) ausimage: I know ;) (09:07:11 PM) ausimage: hal14450, cprofitt and I should be probably discuss this further later (09:07:21 PM) cprofitt: I certainly do not want to offend ausimage or not acknowledge his contributions (09:07:40 PM) ausimage: Thanks cprofitt... (09:07:49 PM) ausimage: Next Topic... (09:07:58 PM) ausimage: Website/Wiki stuff.... (09:08:17 PM) ausimage: It has been brought up about the lag on the website... (09:08:30 PM) cprofitt: I feel we need to consolidate the material covered (09:08:34 PM) ausimage: and perhaps consilidating things a bit... (09:08:54 PM) cprofitt: it is not just the lag -- the fact that we duplicate data leaves room for error and confusion (09:08:56 PM) ausimage: I am of the opinion that if the website is used properly it is less work (09:09:14 PM) cprofitt: it is bad to have people thinking we are 'dead' because one source is not up-to-date (09:09:35 PM) cprofitt: I also think that there is an 'expectation', based on other team sites, that certain content will be on the wiki (09:09:35 PM) ausimage: mostly cause the wiki lacks features that help reduce workload (09:10:11 PM) ausimage_oui left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). (09:10:21 PM) ausimage: The wiki's draw back is that you have to maintain both the index and the content :/ (09:10:47 PM) ausimage: the website maintains the index for you... when content is added... (09:10:52 PM) cprofitt: I think MoinMoin can handle some of it, but not all. (09:11:18 PM) ausimage: Yeah.. Moin Moin needs page-based variable BADLY IMHO :) (09:11:22 PM) cprofitt: I will have to check... I know it supports tags... from some of the document team projects I have been in (09:12:08 PM) ausimage: In such that I can make a page list that builds indexes based on values from subpages (09:12:13 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, I am willing to maintain the events/meetups on the wiki despite lacking the automation (09:12:25 PM) ausimage: K...\ (09:12:47 PM) ausimage: I thought it was clearly stated the website stuff was an 'archive' (09:12:58 PM) ausimage: and that current info is on the wiki... (09:13:10 PM) cprofitt: if you were able to scrape the wiki from the website... then perhaps... (09:13:35 PM) cprofitt: http://main.newyork-ubuntu.com/Activities/HomePage (09:13:36 PM) ausimage: I have been (09:13:47 PM) cprofitt: I do not see a mention of 'archive' there (09:13:59 PM) cprofitt: or any direction to see the wiki for the most up-to-date data (09:13:59 PM) ausimage: I can add that then (09:14:04 PM) cprofitt: I did not mean you personally... (09:14:08 PM) cprofitt: I meant programmatically (09:14:15 PM) cprofitt: build a perl script or something (09:14:30 PM) ausimage: oh scripting :) (09:14:41 PM) ausimage: yeah that is a possibility too (09:15:14 PM) ausimage: I think the best course is to better inform the user of the intent of the website pages then (09:15:38 PM) ausimage: Gah... and I am behind there... (09:15:51 PM) ausimage: I just don't no where time has gone lately (09:16:05 PM) cprofitt: if we inform them that it is an archive and not maintained as quickly as the wiki that would alleviate my concern (09:16:28 PM) ausimage: K... I will put it on my short list to tackle then ;) (09:16:37 PM) cprofitt: sounds good. (09:16:57 PM) cprofitt: cutting back to the nominations -- should we make a nominations page on the wiki? (09:17:04 PM) ausimage: Also If there are members who want access to the website content for creating or modifiing... let me know too (09:17:26 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, how should we tell members about being able to get access? (09:17:26 PM) ausimage: That or add it to the december page (09:17:32 PM) hal14450: so i nominate Slick666 and ausimage for VP (09:17:34 PM) cprofitt: I am sure Slick666 would be interested (09:17:43 PM) cprofitt: the vote is next month though; correct? (09:17:52 PM) cprofitt: I thought that is what we decided last month (09:17:55 PM) ausimage: er november then (09:18:00 PM) ausimage: I forgot (09:18:01 PM) hal14450: i nominate someone other than myself for secretary lol (09:18:04 PM) cprofitt: due to last years vote being on October 30th (09:18:16 PM) cprofitt: next month is October (09:18:20 PM) ausimage: Right... just forgetfull (09:18:22 PM) cprofitt: but I can add that to the October page (09:18:33 PM) ausimage: That is the best course (09:18:46 PM) cprofitt: or do we want to delay until November and hope that people actually become more active with meetings (09:19:04 PM) ausimage: cprofitt: I can add something how to gain edit rights to the website (09:19:20 PM) ausimage: I doubt things will change that much (09:19:26 PM) ausimage: :S (09:19:29 PM) cprofitt: sounds good... October or November for vote though? (09:19:38 PM) cprofitt: I doubt they will either... despite my hope that they will (09:19:54 PM) cprofitt: I think Slick666 is active in getting Syracuse up... and you have a chance to build up the FLs this year (09:20:45 PM) ausimage: Yeah... (09:20:59 PM) cprofitt: that can only help to attract people to meetings (09:21:26 PM) cprofitt: October or November for vote though... sorry about the birdwalk (09:21:52 PM) ausimage: Um... November perhaps (09:22:28 PM) cprofitt: I am fine with any choice you make... (09:22:34 PM) cprofitt: I think November is best... (09:22:43 PM) cprofitt: personally (09:23:13 PM) cprofitt: are we agreed with November then? (09:23:22 PM) ausimage: +1 (09:23:25 PM) cprofitt: k (09:23:52 PM) ausimage: Um November then... (09:23:53 PM) cprofitt: the next topic is easy too... add an 'official loco team' tid-bit to the website and wiki (09:24:01 PM) cprofitt: that sound good ausimage ? (09:24:04 PM) cprofitt: hal14450, ? (09:24:20 PM) ausimage: yeah that goes in with the rest of the website housekeeping... (09:24:22 PM) cprofitt: hey cws (09:24:35 PM) cprofitt: I just did not know if any felt the need to advert that or not (09:25:37 PM) ausimage: which the nominations? (09:25:46 PM) cprofitt: the 'official part' (09:26:15 PM) ausimage: Ah... not sure how but I think I can come up with something (09:26:33 PM) ausimage: also as aside to this... (09:27:54 PM) ausimage: Perhaps the team might want to mention we are independent and operate with the cooperation of the community at large (09:29:07 PM) ausimage: Next Topic? (09:29:31 PM) ausimage: Karmic Release Party (09:29:58 PM) ausimage: I have reserved the Holiday Inn, Waterloo for the 8th of November from 1-5pm (09:30:16 PM) ausimage: ducky has offered to give a presentation... (09:30:30 PM) ausimage: I am struggling with the flyer ATM (09:30:44 PM) ausimage: I have not heard back from Sys 76 (09:31:04 PM) ausimage: I do hope to see everyone there... (09:31:17 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, as you know I will not make it... (09:31:24 PM) cprofitt: I am Sunday inhibited during NFL season (09:31:29 PM) ausimage: yeah footballitis ;) (09:31:35 PM) cws: hey cprofit, I am just catching up on the meeting notes (09:31:45 PM) ausimage: cws hey (09:32:26 PM) ausimage: hal14450, Dave123, deejoe your coming? (09:32:32 PM) cprofitt: cool... good so see you here cws (09:32:40 PM) ausimage: anyone else? (09:32:47 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, is in need of a presentation in November at the launch party if you are interested (09:32:57 PM) cws: Unfortunately I can not make Nov 8 (09:33:19 PM) ausimage: :/ (09:33:57 PM) ausimage: Hopefully I am not going to be sitting there with just ducky :S (09:34:50 PM) ausimage: If anyone wants to assist let me know wrt Release Party in Waterloo (09:35:16 PM) ***ausimage notices no more agenda (09:35:30 PM) ausimage: Does the floor have anything to add? (09:35:47 PM) ***cprofitt looks at the floor waiting for it to speak (09:35:54 PM) ausimage: ULLU meets tomorrow at 7 at HWS (09:36:36 PM) ausimage: I will conclude this meeting then

(09:00:38 PM) ausimage: 9:00 (09:00:41 PM) cprofitt: k - boss man -- kick the tires and light the fires (09:00:41 PM) ausimage: :) (09:00:54 PM) ausimage: alrighty.... (09:01:01 PM) ausimage: Old business... (09:01:02 PM) cprofitt: # TOPIC Fall Release Party - Waterloo (09:01:05 PM) ausimage: yup (09:01:30 PM) ausimage: I am in negotiations with the wife as to when will be the best time (09:01:34 PM) ausimage: :/ (09:02:06 PM) ausimage: We can get the HI again if decided... (09:02:20 PM) ausimage: I think we can get a room in front too (09:02:37 PM) cprofitt: what was your tentative date again ausimage ? (09:02:43 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, you here? (09:03:18 PM) ausimage: tenative is the 7th or 8th of Novemeber (09:04:07 PM) cprofitt: Rochester will be holding a VirtualBox presentation on the 6th (09:04:08 PM) ausimage: It is also the most likely weeked for the kids birthday too... hence the negotiations... (09:04:37 PM) ausimage: I think we keep it similar to last year... but move the demo machines;) (09:05:00 PM) cprofitt: Yes... I would like to have the demo machine not in the presentation room (09:05:03 PM) ausimage: If in front at the HI I think we could be in the hall (09:05:36 PM) cprofitt: actually the presentation in on the 5th (09:05:43 PM) ausimage: only cause other events have used it, but that would need checking (09:05:58 PM) cprofitt: hall> (09:06:10 PM) cprofitt: you mean the demo units would be in the hallway? (09:06:17 PM) ***Slick666 is trying to stay in meeting and cook (09:06:18 PM) ausimage: We just need a few um guinea pigs to speak ;) (09:06:21 PM) Slick666: sry (09:06:25 PM) Slick666: I AM following (09:06:49 PM) cprofitt: I am sure we can get people out there... (09:06:50 PM) ausimage: That was a thought of mine... those coming into the hotel would see them and maybe interested (09:07:06 PM) cprofitt: maybe... too bad we can not use the college though (09:07:11 PM) cprofitt: might be more traffic there (09:07:30 PM) ausimage: It is there... but not as trafficked :/ IMHO (09:07:49 PM) cprofitt: HI is more trafficked than the college? (09:07:51 PM) ausimage: and in the middle of campus and hike from the lot (09:07:52 PM) cprofitt: woah (09:08:10 PM) cprofitt: if HI is better traffic that be the place then (09:08:22 PM) cprofitt: any more on that before I move in to the next part ausimage ? (09:08:39 PM) ausimage: any volunteers ???? (09:08:45 PM) Slick666: Has anyone inquired with marnold about his college connection and what might be available? (09:08:53 PM) ausimage: to help with coordination and speaking (09:09:02 PM) cprofitt: I have not... but he is in Morrisville right? (09:09:04 PM) ausimage: Slick666: I prefer Waterloo (09:09:16 PM) ausimage: It is central to the three (09:09:20 PM) ausimage: his is not (09:09:43 PM) Slick666: true (09:09:50 PM) ausimage: make sense??? (09:09:54 PM) Slick666: but I would say he is more central than say RIT (09:10:01 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, true... (09:10:15 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, I can speak again -- if I can come... (09:10:24 PM) cprofitt: I will know more once we clear September (09:10:28 PM) Slick666: I don't have an SU connection yet ut that seems ideal (09:10:28 PM) ausimage: you may come cprofitt ;) (09:10:33 PM) cprofitt: the Fall is busy... (09:10:44 PM) ausimage: SU sucks IMHO (09:10:45 PM) Slick666: The issue is can that setting offer more space/internet/etc (09:10:52 PM) cprofitt: if I end up with my presentation accepted for NYSCATE I may be involved in getting that set (09:11:25 PM) ausimage: I liked Waterloo for the fact that it is an hour from three major locations (09:11:53 PM) ausimage: Next topic??? (09:11:57 PM) Slick666: do you know of any other venues int he area other than the HI? (09:12:00 PM) Slick666: ok (09:12:03 PM) cprofitt: 2010 goals (09:12:14 PM) ausimage: yes HWS but that has drawbacks too (09:12:19 PM) ausimage: IMHO (09:12:30 PM) cprofitt: I would like to ensure that we expand the meetups in Syracuse, Fingerlakes, Ithaca, Albany and NYC (09:12:42 PM) cprofitt: or at least do what we can to promote it (09:12:44 PM) ausimage: I second (09:13:07 PM) ausimage: cprofitt: No buffalo? (09:13:12 PM) cprofitt: I would like to have the 'core' team make some appearances or presentations in locations relatively close to where they live (09:13:21 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, we have not had activity in Buffalo (09:13:28 PM) ausimage: :/ (09:13:28 PM) cprofitt: I would like to 'have meetups' there (09:13:34 PM) cprofitt: but not 'expand' (09:13:34 PM) ausimage: what about Rock County (09:13:37 PM) Slick666: I think Syracuse is well on it's way to becoming independently organizing (09:13:48 PM) cprofitt: I lump Rock County as NYC (09:13:52 PM) ausimage: ahh (09:14:07 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, would it help if ausimage or myself were to attend a meeting in Syracuse? (09:14:10 PM) ausimage: I think FL is moving slowly in that direction (09:14:15 PM) cprofitt: meaning the VP or P (09:14:19 PM) cprofitt: vs. the two of us (09:14:24 PM) ***cprofitt later on the agenda (09:14:45 PM) Slick666: possibly (09:14:54 PM) cprofitt: or would it help to just have a 'LoCo' member come speak (09:14:58 PM) cprofitt: and officers do not matter (09:15:39 PM) ausimage: Slick666: did you not say syrlug was so lockstep ??? (09:15:43 PM) Slick666: personally, I was satisfied with the tone and output of the last meeting and I got a positive response from the local LUG (09:15:59 PM) cprofitt: good... (09:16:22 PM) cprofitt: I would like to try and make one of the meeting in Syracuse, but time of meeting may play a factor in that... (09:16:33 PM) cprofitt: I can easily make a meeting in the FLs (09:16:36 PM) Slick666: SyrLUG has a rhythm that works for them (09:17:01 PM) cprofitt: I think we need to work on getting more 'polished' presenters able to work with the LUGs (09:17:12 PM) Slick666: the Loco meeting are very different in tone and focus and I think they have enough unique appeal to bring people back (09:17:14 PM) cprofitt: to make us a 'benefit' to them (09:17:23 PM) Slick666: as well as bring in new people that might not go to SyrLUG (09:17:31 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, sounds good... (09:17:36 PM) Slick666: I agree (09:17:42 PM) cprofitt: are you shooting for every month or every other? (09:17:48 PM) Slick666: I would love to see more LUG input int the Install Fest (09:18:05 PM) cprofitt: -- k (09:18:17 PM) cprofitt: need to move along to the next topic... (09:18:25 PM) cprofitt: # Statewide events (09:18:29 PM) Slick666: kk (09:18:39 PM) cprofitt: I have contacted the folks at Ithaca and asked for our own booth this year (09:18:47 PM) cprofitt: my hope is to be located near the IFSA folks (09:19:03 PM) cprofitt: I would also like to submit 4+ presentation topics for them (09:19:15 PM) cprofitt: LTSP, Why FOSS, Backup for Linux, etc (09:19:46 PM) cprofitt: I would also like to work towards being able to attend NYSCATE for 2010 (09:20:01 PM) cprofitt: we could not get any sponsors for 2009 and could not afford the $700 booth cost (09:20:08 PM) cprofitt: but we can work on things for 2010 (09:20:20 PM) cprofitt: # Install Fests (09:20:36 PM) cprofitt: I would like to have an install fest in the Fingerlakes adn in Syracuse (09:20:39 PM) ausimage: who is going to be our 501c3 sponsor? (09:20:44 PM) cprofitt: is that possible guys? (09:20:54 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, why do I need a 501c3 sponsor? (09:21:02 PM) ausimage: yeah that might doable here... (09:21:33 PM) ausimage: cprofitt: to raise money with (09:22:09 PM) cprofitt: I was looking to get an actual sponsor -- like System76 (09:22:17 PM) ausimage: oh cool... (09:22:18 PM) Slick666: The way I understand it if we want to do that there may be a way in Syracuse (09:22:23 PM) cprofitt: if I need an umbrella I can work with RCSi (09:22:37 PM) cprofitt: # back to install fests (09:22:38 PM) ausimage: good to here... (09:22:50 PM) Slick666: The DEC User's group still exists in somesmall fashion and already has 501c3 status (09:22:54 PM) cprofitt: I would like to either work with the LUG or have our own (09:23:02 PM) Slick666: we could form a group under them (09:23:06 PM) Slick666: let me know (09:23:08 PM) cprofitt: k (09:23:24 PM) cprofitt: if we hold the install fest on a Saturday I can make that in Syracuse (09:23:38 PM) cprofitt: -- I would like to consider a name other than install fest... (09:23:48 PM) cprofitt: like perhaps just Linux Festival (09:23:59 PM) cprofitt: and have both an install lab and a few presentations (09:24:11 PM) cprofitt: that way we get existing and new people thinking they can come (09:24:15 PM) cprofitt: how does that sound? (09:24:22 PM) ausimage: good... (09:24:58 PM) Slick666: perhaps Release Party helps sum up the spirit (09:25:00 PM) ausimage: you think ifsa might join in Ithaca? (09:25:01 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, do you want to tie the install fest in with the launch? (09:25:20 PM) cprofitt: if we hold one in Ithaca they would be the people sponsoring it and finding the location (09:25:26 PM) ausimage: I do not see them as inclusive of each other (09:25:30 PM) cprofitt: they are not very responsive... (09:25:37 PM) cprofitt: to email at times though (09:26:31 PM) cprofitt: I will work on doing one there... ausimage (09:26:54 PM) cprofitt: so did you want to tie the Linux Fest in with the launch? (09:26:55 PM) ausimage: oh Fall ;) (09:26:59 PM) cprofitt: and offer to do installs? (09:27:11 PM) cprofitt: or wait until later in the year (09:27:27 PM) ausimage: Not sure... (09:27:40 PM) cprofitt: k -- think on it (09:27:44 PM) ausimage: Perhaps raising interest and support is key (09:27:57 PM) ausimage: then later offer install fest (09:28:00 PM) cprofitt: if we do installs we need to line up 'experts' willing to assist... (09:28:05 PM) cprofitt: and have 'stations' setup (09:28:19 PM) ausimage: I am just thinking of last year (09:28:29 PM) cprofitt: it might go hand in hand with your desire for a two day affair (09:28:37 PM) ausimage: ah true (09:28:47 PM) cprofitt: offer installs first day -- presentations / classes second day (09:29:06 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, do you have a time frame in your mind for an Linux Festival / Install Fest (09:29:15 PM) ausimage: Not sure If I can squeeze that out this time, though :/ (09:29:30 PM) ***deejoe has a simple kind of installfest: Here's your bootable DVD/CD/USB keychain. Done. (09:29:46 PM) cprofitt: lol (09:30:01 PM) ausimage: no hand holding... reassurances they can do it ??? (09:30:04 PM) ausimage: :D (09:30:16 PM) cprofitt: next topic (09:30:22 PM) cprofitt: and I look to Slick666 to take the lead here (09:30:26 PM) cprofitt: BUGJAM - NYS (09:30:53 PM) cprofitt: I would like to work for a spring bug jam with Syracuse / Rochester / FL / ?? all holding them on the same day (09:31:07 PM) Slick666: hmmmm (09:31:15 PM) ausimage: perhaps... (09:31:24 PM) cprofitt: I would like to have it not focus on the public side of things... but on the actual bug side of things with experience Linux users (09:31:39 PM) cprofitt: and the various locations get 'hooked' up via some method (09:31:45 PM) Slick666: ah (09:31:49 PM) Slick666: agreed (09:31:59 PM) cprofitt: video, irc, shared text editing (09:32:01 PM) cprofitt: IDK (09:32:07 PM) ausimage: sounds good (09:32:33 PM) cprofitt: can you take on trying to get that put together Slick666 ? (09:32:42 PM) cprofitt: hey deejoe (09:33:19 PM) cprofitt: # Presentation Ideas (09:33:21 PM) Slick666: statewide or in the 'cuse? (09:33:35 PM) cprofitt: the overall statewide part... + cuse (09:33:36 PM) deejoe: hmm? (09:33:37 PM) ***Slick666 burned dinner and made a mess Fing A! (09:33:38 PM) ausimage: Slick666: the whole enchilda ;) (09:33:42 PM) Slick666: ok (09:33:46 PM) cprofitt: I can take Rochester (09:33:50 PM) cprofitt: for the local part... (09:33:55 PM) cprofitt: and ausimage could do local FL (09:34:07 PM) cprofitt: but you would do Syracuse and the 'communication' component (09:34:14 PM) Slick666: will need to coordinate (09:34:25 PM) ausimage: yeah... but I will look to Slick666 for guidance and direction ;) (09:34:25 PM) cprofitt: yeah... it will be a team effort with you as the 'lead' (09:34:27 PM) Slick666: phone?1 (09:34:42 PM) cprofitt: I think that means he has a phone call... (09:34:46 PM) cprofitt: ok (09:34:57 PM) cprofitt: # Presentation Ideas... (09:35:08 PM) cprofitt: the first two on the agenda page are specific... (09:35:11 PM) cprofitt: the last two are not... (09:35:17 PM) cprofitt: so I want to discuss the last two (09:35:21 PM) cprofitt: 'genius' days (09:35:37 PM) cprofitt: I was inspired by pleia2's friend doctormo (09:35:57 PM) cprofitt: they have a weekend location where they 'sit' and offer classes or assistance (09:36:14 PM) cprofitt: I think it might be difficult for us to do that... but I like the idea (09:36:23 PM) deejoe: applecider does that (09:36:27 PM) cprofitt: and thought that perhaps we should schedule some 'genius' days (09:36:43 PM) ausimage: cprofitt: I think MA is different than NY :S (09:36:46 PM) cprofitt: where we would just offer assistance to the community and LUG members (09:36:53 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, it is... its more like Ithaca (09:36:59 PM) deejoe: ausimage: pleia2 is in PA, no? (09:37:04 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, is in PA (09:37:11 PM) cprofitt: but doctormo and she are friends... (09:37:14 PM) ausimage: yeah DoctorMO is MA ;) (09:37:15 PM) cprofitt: doctormo is in Boston (09:37:20 PM) deejoe: ah (09:37:42 PM) cprofitt: the other idea, near to my heart ofcourse, is to offer support to educators (09:37:50 PM) cprofitt: and advertise it as such (09:38:03 PM) deejoe: uh oh (09:38:15 PM) deejoe: cprofitt is going to start monologueing? ;-) (09:38:19 PM) cprofitt: I think part of the path to breaking the MS / Apple strangle hold on the desktop is to get another option in front of kids (09:38:27 PM) ausimage: Wonder if FLCC or some other school would sponsor? (09:38:30 PM) cprofitt: and that means making teachers comfortable with the options (09:38:58 PM) cprofitt: so having classes on 'Linux basics' and showing them how to use the programs in Edubutu, etc would be helpful (09:39:09 PM) ausimage: cprofitt: it would be interesting if the educator events offered Con Ed credits ;) (09:39:13 PM) deejoe: FLCC, or MCC here (09:39:16 PM) cprofitt: there are also many cross-platform programs we can 'teach' them about (09:39:23 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, it would be... (09:39:34 PM) cprofitt: that can be arranged through K-12 teacher centers... (09:39:38 PM) ausimage: that would get teachers interested quickly :) (09:39:39 PM) cprofitt: if we do it professionally enough (09:39:52 PM) ausimage: of course (09:39:59 PM) cprofitt: for graduate credit we would need people with masters degrees (09:40:05 PM) cprofitt: and a college willing to offer the course (09:40:19 PM) ***ausimage thinking of the carrot for the teachers (09:40:20 PM) ***cprofitt I am thinking of getting my Masters but do not have one (09:40:38 PM) cprofitt: so... would like people to consider the 'genius' days and 'educator' days (09:40:52 PM) ausimage: think they are seperate sorta (09:40:57 PM) cprofitt: let it tumble around in the brain for a while and see if we can not develop a 'structure' for them (09:41:01 PM) cprofitt: they are (09:41:06 PM) ausimage: as Teacher's might have different needs (09:41:09 PM) cprofitt: one is focused how to use classes (09:41:30 PM) cprofitt: the other is more like being an Apple genius and taking people in by appointment or off the street if we have people availalbe (09:41:43 PM) cprofitt: # Spring Release party (09:42:00 PM) ausimage: Late April ;) (09:42:02 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, with the fall release party are you still wanting to do a central Spring Party? (09:42:10 PM) ausimage: yeah (09:42:17 PM) deejoe: is there a name for 10.04 yet? (09:42:23 PM) ausimage: I think it helps stretch resources (09:42:23 PM) cprofitt: I would say first week of May would be best ausimage (09:42:33 PM) cprofitt: but if we can do it... that would be good... (09:42:46 PM) ausimage: Last Wkend April First Wknd May (09:42:52 PM) cprofitt: we can start planning 10.04 when 9.10 is released (09:42:57 PM) cprofitt: last topic (09:43:00 PM) ausimage: yeah (09:43:08 PM) cprofitt: # 2009 Officer Nominations and Elections (09:43:14 PM) cprofitt: I will send a notice out on the list... (09:43:27 PM) cprofitt: We will take nominations (send to ausimage or myself) (09:43:46 PM) cprofitt: the positions open are President and Secretary (09:44:05 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, do we want to declare treasurer as open since the person filling that is MIA? (09:44:25 PM) ausimage: If I am encourage I will accept my old position (09:44:29 PM) ausimage: yeah I think so (09:44:33 PM) cprofitt: in 2007 the vote was on October 30th (09:44:48 PM) cprofitt: do we want to schedule this one to be then as well... or make it November? (09:45:01 PM) ausimage: so either 3rd Monday Oct or Nov I guess (09:45:21 PM) ausimage: opinions?? (09:45:29 PM) cprofitt: lets go for 3rd Monday in October then (09:46:01 PM) cprofitt: I made a wiki page for the nominations to be listed (09:46:11 PM) cprofitt: what about treasurer ausimage ? (09:46:21 PM) cprofitt: is that going to be open with thestace being MIA? (09:46:30 PM) ausimage: it is open AFAIC (09:46:58 PM) ***Slick666 is back from the phone (09:47:09 PM) cprofitt: ok... I will send that out to the list tomorrow then (09:47:19 PM) cprofitt: hey Slick666 we are discussing officer elections (09:47:28 PM) Slick666: ah (09:47:29 PM) cprofitt: nominations, etc (09:47:33 PM) Slick666: I'm following (09:47:47 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, do we want to have my position up as well... to put them all back on the same time line (09:47:55 PM) cprofitt: I was kind of a 'fill-in' for another MIA (09:48:10 PM) cprofitt: and I think we should keep them together... but was not sure of everyone else's thoughts (09:48:13 PM) ausimage: I prefer staggering (09:48:54 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, deejoe - staggered officers? (09:50:09 PM) ***cprofitt pauses (09:50:14 PM) Slick666: I like (09:50:23 PM) cprofitt: ok .. staggered it is. (09:50:36 PM) cprofitt: now... not saying this is an issue... (09:50:59 PM) cprofitt: but what do we do if officer x who has 1yr left is nominated for officer spot y (09:50:59 PM) Slick666: ok? (09:51:19 PM) cprofitt: I would argue a person can not hold both... (09:51:23 PM) ausimage: it opens I think (09:51:30 PM) cprofitt: how would we fill a vacancy (09:51:35 PM) cprofitt: immediate vote? (09:51:41 PM) cprofitt: the following month? (09:51:47 PM) ausimage: following month perhaps (09:52:01 PM) Slick666: I think that soundsgood (09:52:07 PM) cprofitt: I know it is a formality... but our constitution makes us rather formal... (09:52:11 PM) cprofitt: ok... cool... (09:52:37 PM) cprofitt: I will send out a letter tomorrow and make that modification to the constitution -- or do we need a vote on the constitution modification ausimage ? (09:52:54 PM) ausimage: it needs to be voted... (09:52:58 PM) ausimage: :/ (09:53:07 PM) Slick666: I agree (09:53:23 PM) ausimage: Not sure if there are addendums still hanging now that you mention them... (09:53:35 PM) Slick666: I think it would be cool if we could vote by e-mail (using gpg) (09:53:39 PM) cprofitt: k... so we can hold that up for vote in September (09:53:47 PM) cprofitt: I will put both in the email (09:53:55 PM) ausimage: gpg? how do we verify? (09:54:01 PM) cprofitt: it would be nice to allow votes by email... but I like to have people here... (09:54:07 PM) cprofitt: to have 'active' members vote (09:54:14 PM) Slick666: true (09:54:24 PM) ausimage: I have in the past... (09:54:29 PM) cprofitt: thought IRC should not be the sole method for activity (09:54:30 PM) Slick666: I think of it as e-voting, but the open way, you know one thats secure and works ;) (09:54:37 PM) cprofitt: gpg signatures should work (09:55:10 PM) ausimage: end of the agenda??? (09:55:15 PM) cprofitt: would be interesting to have a web based secure system that required a GPG sig verification (09:55:29 PM) cprofitt: and one that verified that they are members via launchpad openID (09:55:37 PM) cprofitt: # end of agenda (09:55:38 PM) ***Slick666 smells a new open source project brewing (09:55:46 PM) Slick666: ;) (09:56:23 PM) ausimage: meeting adjourned then :)

(10:22:24 PM) ausimage_oui: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Meetings/20090615 is the agenda (10:23:43 PM) hal14450: NYSCATE - Canonical has not offered support; do we want to try and raise $750 or give up on the idea of an Ubuntu booth? <----- I'm going to that come hell or high water and franky i don't care what brand of FOSS i'm peddling so long as I can peddle it (10:24:13 PM) ausimage_oui: k (10:24:18 PM) cprofitt: hal14450, I agree... but as the 'LoCo' I want to know if we give up on the idea of an Ubuntu booth (10:24:28 PM) cprofitt: the question of a Fedora booth is a different question (10:24:34 PM) TheDukeNY: any details about our next meeting? (10:24:40 PM) hal14450: well i can't really afford to shell out that kind of cash (10:24:43 PM) TheDukeNY: nothing is on the wiki (10:24:53 PM) cprofitt: tonight TheDukeNY (10:24:55 PM) cprofitt: right now (10:25:04 PM) cprofitt: we started a bit late (10:25:07 PM) ausimage_oui: lets get through this agenda (10:25:16 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, you want to cover the first items though (10:25:26 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah (10:25:32 PM) TheDukeNY: okay (10:25:42 PM) TheDukeNY: good thing Im herethen :) (10:25:48 PM) ausimage_oui: first thing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events is our old business (10:25:58 PM) ausimage_oui: not going to go through it (10:26:14 PM) ausimage_oui: but just want it pointed out :) (10:26:23 PM) cprofitt: I do have one thing there (10:26:33 PM) ausimage_oui: k (10:26:42 PM) ausimage_oui: cprofitt: ? (10:26:47 PM) hal14450: huge turnout for whitehat (10:26:48 PM) cprofitt: I sent out 103 emails tonight to the people that signed up that they were interested in getting more information about the LoCo (10:27:11 PM) ausimage_oui: oh nice cprofitt (10:27:22 PM) ausimage_oui: new blood mmmmmmm ;) (10:27:38 PM) ausimage_oui: anything else? (10:27:47 PM) cprofitt: The organizer was so impressed with our booth activity and the number of people at Carl's presentation that he announced at the end of the meeting that he wants to do a Linux focused event this September (10:27:51 PM) hal14450: this is what happens when we attend events that aren't really linux centric (10:27:51 PM) ***cprofitt done (10:27:57 PM) cprofitt: takes a while to type ausimage (10:28:04 PM) cprofitt: and when in the middle I can not answer you questions (10:28:06 PM) ausimage_oui: sorry (10:28:12 PM) cprofitt: your (10:28:20 PM) cprofitt: damn spelling stinks tonight (10:28:39 PM) hal14450: carl was standing room only (10:29:03 PM) ausimage_oui: awesome (10:29:16 PM) hal14450: they borrowed chairs from another room (10:30:44 PM) ausimage_oui: k.. then ready for some fall release party discusion? (10:31:21 PM) cprofitt: yes (10:31:26 PM) hal14450: you set a date for that? (10:31:41 PM) Slick666: should we go for the first sat? (10:31:50 PM) ausimage_oui: most likely 1st nov weekend (10:31:54 PM) Slick666: capture teh excitement (10:31:55 PM) cprofitt: of which month November? (10:32:03 PM) ausimage_oui: yes (10:32:18 PM) ausimage_oui: release weekend is halloween (10:32:20 PM) cprofitt: November 7th then (10:32:25 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah (10:32:54 PM) ausimage_oui: I need to get details from the wife about the HI... (10:33:04 PM) LordKenTheGreat left the room (quit: ). (10:33:12 PM) cprofitt: So two weeks after Ontario Linux Fest and three weeks prior to NYSCATE (10:33:22 PM) hal14450: busy season (10:33:30 PM) ausimage_oui: and I should also ask scotty from HWS (10:33:34 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah (10:33:50 PM) cprofitt: It may work better to see if HWS can host... (10:34:05 PM) hal14450: there's an idea (10:34:07 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah I was thinking abouut thAT (10:34:31 PM) cprofitt: Though to be honest I would rather have them host a larger spring event than a fall event (10:34:33 PM) ausimage_oui: QUESTION HOW INVOLVED DO WE WANT (10:34:42 PM) cprofitt: due to the 'packed' nature of the fall (10:34:45 PM) ausimage_oui: sorry (10:35:03 PM) hal14450: so long as we have a location where i don't have to play presentation lackey i'll be happy lol (10:35:10 PM) ***ausimage_oui typing on tiny mini keyboard (10:35:41 PM) cprofitt: I really think we need to have one release be 'local' for communities and outreach by our members to their LUGs and one season for a combined central event (10:35:46 PM) ausimage_oui: do we want to a tracked session? (10:36:09 PM) ausimage_oui: sessions (10:36:17 PM) ausimage_oui: and trades (10:36:38 PM) cprofitt: for the big event a track or multiple tracks would be good... once it grows in size (10:37:00 PM) ausimage_oui: so like this spring then or a little more? (10:37:07 PM) ausimage_oui: how much more? (10:37:10 PM) hal14450: i dunno if we're ready for that step i'd be happy to see a decent turnout like the last one and build on it (10:37:30 PM) Slick666: I agree (10:37:32 PM) cprofitt: I think this spring we can have another central event... (10:37:37 PM) Slick666: we should take it one step at a time (10:37:37 PM) ausimage_oui: so a single track? (10:37:41 PM) cprofitt: with perhaps once 'classroom' (10:37:45 PM) cprofitt: and one demo room (10:37:46 PM) hal14450: get a few of these events under our belt (10:37:46 PM) ausimage_oui: and a lab then (10:37:52 PM) cprofitt: I do not think we are ready for multiple tacks (10:37:58 PM) ausimage_oui: k (10:38:00 PM) cprofitt: unless we work with Larry (10:38:10 PM) ausimage_oui: that does make it simpler (10:38:11 PM) cprofitt: which would put the event in Rochester and out of our control... (10:38:17 PM) cprofitt: which I would prefer not to do (10:38:27 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah true (10:38:40 PM) cprofitt: I do not mind working with Larry on an event... but think we need to build our own as well... (10:38:47 PM) cprofitt: though perhaps the efforts will merge (10:38:49 PM) Slick666: I think we should look at seperating demo and class room (10:39:06 PM) hal14450: i'd like to attend this ---> http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2009/ (10:39:22 PM) ausimage_oui: I will try to ping scotty and get an estimate for the HI for the bigger room (10:39:35 PM) hal14450: pick their brains and get them to show up for a similar event in NY (10:39:36 PM) cprofitt: There is also the chance that we will have a FOSS event in Rochester (10:39:40 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, are you here? (10:39:47 PM) pleia2: mhmm (10:40:07 PM) ausimage_oui: pleia2 needs to come (10:40:08 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, what is the channel and web page for the NE FOSS CON (10:40:19 PM) hal14450: #northeastgnulinuxfest (10:40:27 PM) cprofitt: hal14450, that is the middle of the week following Ontario Linux Fest (10:40:27 PM) pleia2: that's the one :) (10:40:30 PM) pleia2: far too long (10:40:56 PM) hal14450: pleia2, <tab> (10:41:21 PM) hal14450: cprofitt, it is but it's also very interesting (10:41:27 PM) cprofitt: it is... (10:41:33 PM) cprofitt: but I can not afford to do both... (10:41:48 PM) cprofitt: I would like to do both... but can not afford to do both (10:41:59 PM) hal14450: yeah i'm pretty sure i can't unless jaguar has his brother put me up lol (10:42:04 PM) cprofitt: I would also like to have a version of that in NY State as well (10:42:24 PM) Slick666: I think we're getting off topic guys (10:42:32 PM) cprofitt: we are... (10:42:45 PM) Slick666: back on topic ...... (10:42:45 PM) cprofitt: I think the Fall launch should be local not central (10:42:49 PM) cprofitt: to get back on topic (10:42:55 PM) Slick666: are we at a concensus about the location of the fall release party? (10:42:56 PM) hal14450: we've got all sorts of FOSS goodness going on here a lot of it's happening @ RIT (10:42:57 PM) ausimage_oui: so a simple fall session simliar to this spring (10:43:03 PM) cprofitt: shoot for a central event at HWS for the spring (10:43:15 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, no... (10:43:23 PM) cprofitt: I do not think we have a consensus (10:43:42 PM) ausimage_oui: that is what I hear (10:43:45 PM) cprofitt: Though no one has + or - anything (10:44:04 PM) cprofitt: I would vote for spring = central and fall = local LUG based (10:44:06 PM) Slick666: should we get some nominations? (10:44:20 PM) cprofitt: it allows us to bring together people once a year and to support our LUGs once a year (10:44:34 PM) cprofitt: that is my idea... (10:44:35 PM) hal14450: ausimage_oui, you've got a community to build on in HWS so why not take advantage of that this rls ? (10:44:36 PM) cprofitt: any others? (10:44:59 PM) ausimage_oui: mulitiple parties this fall? (10:45:07 PM) cprofitt: yes, multiple parties... (10:45:15 PM) ausimage_oui: big one may 2010? (10:45:16 PM) cprofitt: our members supporting a launch with their local LUG (10:45:26 PM) cprofitt: big one in May 2010 - yes (10:45:35 PM) cprofitt: or central medium sized one (10:45:37 PM) ausimage_oui: in favor? (10:45:41 PM) cprofitt: +1 (10:45:49 PM) Slick666: Abstain (10:46:02 PM) cprofitt: Abstain = 0 (10:46:07 PM) Slick666: lol (10:46:09 PM) cprofitt: easier to type (10:46:14 PM) cprofitt: no = -1 (10:46:23 PM) ausimage_oui: hal? (10:46:37 PM) cprofitt: or so the convention is in the IRC world I have floated about (10:46:52 PM) hal14450: +1 (10:46:57 PM) ausimage_oui: k (10:47:07 PM) hal14450: sorry i had to take a bathroom break (10:47:27 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, ? (10:47:29 PM) cprofitt: your vote (10:47:33 PM) ausimage_oui: so it will be multi party this fall and regional this spring (10:47:44 PM) TheDukeNY: mk (10:47:59 PM) cprofitt: though I hope NY City can get its act together this fall (10:48:07 PM) cprofitt: they were a train wreck this spring (10:48:24 PM) TheDukeNY: there's nobody out here (10:48:26 PM) TheDukeNY: :( (10:48:28 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah it is quite a bummer to get bogged down in the details there (10:48:31 PM) cprofitt: arguing about bagel shop vs. library vs. I dunno what (10:48:41 PM) hal14450: well their are so many people down there it's hard for them to get organized it seems (10:48:46 PM) TheDukeNY: oh, that (10:48:47 PM) TheDukeNY: heh (10:48:52 PM) hal14450: there* (10:49:06 PM) cprofitt: Dude if I was there I would just say -- I am going to be here - JOIN ME (10:49:08 PM) hal14450: do-ocracy (10:49:09 PM) cprofitt: and that would end it (10:49:32 PM) TheDukeNY: Well, if you would like to help with finding an afforable place for everyone, your more then welcome to help me (10:49:32 PM) cprofitt: all the trashing about was pointless (10:49:42 PM) TheDukeNY: since there is really nobody else doing this stuff here (10:49:43 PM) cprofitt: If I lived there I would... (10:49:55 PM) ausimage_oui: ready for next item? (10:49:56 PM) hal14450: TheDukeNY, i would as well (10:50:09 PM) TheDukeNY: I was kinda doing everything myself, and I didn't have much notice. Like 4 days to organize something (10:50:18 PM) hal14450: hell i'd make it a free place to meet (10:50:23 PM) TheDukeNY: there was no chance it was going to happen, but at least I tried (10:50:36 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah true TheDukeNY (10:50:38 PM) cprofitt: TheDukeNY, there was a discussion on the mailing list that went on for three weeks I think (10:50:44 PM) TheDukeNY: They would have meet, we had enough people interestd (10:51:03 PM) cprofitt: we have time this fall... (10:51:08 PM) cprofitt: so we should be able to get it done (10:51:17 PM) hal14450: TheDukeNY, http://www.communitywiki.org/en/DoOcracy (10:51:19 PM) TheDukeNY: So were is this free place you speak of, i would like to hear it (10:51:24 PM) cprofitt: next topic ausimage ? (10:51:34 PM) ausimage_oui: righty then... (10:51:39 PM) cprofitt: TheDukeNY, I use Barnes and Noble (10:51:41 PM) ausimage_oui: Nyscate.... (10:51:45 PM) cprofitt: but we can talk after the meeting (10:51:47 PM) cprofitt: NYSCATE (10:51:53 PM) TheDukeNY: Barnes and Nobles is not free in NYC (10:51:58 PM) cprofitt: I have spoken to SABDFL and jcastro (10:52:09 PM) cprofitt: and not heard anything about if they will or will not (10:52:16 PM) cprofitt: support a booth at NYSCATE (10:52:39 PM) cprofitt: I would like to have the LoCo weigh in on if I should continue to try or if we should wait until 2010 (10:52:42 PM) cprofitt: and try again (10:52:59 PM) ausimage_oui: is there a deadline? (10:53:05 PM) hal14450: i'm all for attending (10:53:24 PM) hal14450: i don't care if i have to peddle FOSS in the parking lot (10:53:27 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, I believe there is a deadline (10:53:35 PM) ausimage_oui: when? (10:53:45 PM) cprofitt: I am still submitting two RFP (presentation proposals) (10:53:58 PM) cprofitt: but getting the booth is a different matter (10:54:47 PM) ausimage_oui: perhaps it shoulkd be publically blogged about? (10:54:47 PM) cprofitt: http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=363 (10:54:48 PM) hal14450: would be nice if i could get some shipit discs instead of having to make a bunch for the event (10:55:09 PM) cprofitt: ausimage, I have blogged about it... asked during SABDFLs session in OpenWeek (10:55:29 PM) ausimage_oui: k (10:56:00 PM) cprofitt: http://www.nyscate.org/conference_rfp.cfm?confid=27 (10:56:13 PM) cprofitt: I have filled one of those out and will be completing another later this week (10:56:16 PM) hal14450: cprofitt, you think we can manage dispensing another ~300 or discs without running out before lunch hits? (10:56:37 PM) cprofitt: I, Hal and Karlie are working with Sugar labs and Fedora on submitting some proposals as well (10:56:50 PM) cprofitt: hal14450, I would say double what we did in Ithaca (10:56:53 PM) cprofitt: 600+ (10:56:56 PM) ausimage_oui: I feel we should be out everywhere possible (10:57:13 PM) hal14450: cprofitt, that's gonna come out of my pocket lol (10:57:15 PM) Slick666: Amen (10:57:22 PM) cprofitt: and that can not come out of hal14450 and cprofitt pockets only (10:57:32 PM) ausimage_oui: not sure how to get around the monetary issue (10:57:46 PM) cprofitt: I have already put $50 towards the presentation board (10:57:55 PM) cprofitt: and I know you have spent $$$ on CDs for all the events (10:58:16 PM) cprofitt: the support thus far from Canonical / Ubuntu community has been lack luster (10:58:18 PM) hal14450: i do my part (10:58:39 PM) cprofitt: a few shirts, soem pens, two hats, some fliers, and some stickers (10:59:06 PM) ausimage_oui: cprofitt: there seems to be the pervasive attitude that it should come from a members pocket rather than raised (10:59:12 PM) cprofitt: ausimage_oui, it goes back to us becoming a 503c (10:59:16 PM) cprofitt: or operating under one (10:59:25 PM) hal14450: i can't expect a boatload of cash for events but something like this i'd like to see an offer of "dollar for dollar match" or something (10:59:30 PM) ***Slick666 has one we could use (10:59:32 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah and that seems frowned on too (10:59:48 PM) Slick666: yea (10:59:58 PM) cprofitt: ausimage_oui, I would think Canonical and Ubuntu would look at larger events... (11:00:07 PM) cprofitt: and want to potentially support some of them (11:00:09 PM) ausimage_oui: i like the matching funds way to- (11:00:10 PM) Slick666: has anyone perused the organization for funding? (11:00:20 PM) hal14450: this isn't a linux centric event (11:00:27 PM) cprofitt: at the very least it would be nice to have an answer and not a we'll look in to that with no response (11:00:31 PM) hal14450: so it's ideal to invest in (11:00:38 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, which organization? (11:01:19 PM) Slick666: the DEC users group have 503C (11:01:28 PM) ausimage_oui: it is computer centric with millions of computers on the line ;) (11:01:30 PM) hal14450: when i was groing up the first computer in my school was an apple II since they actually bothered to stick their noses in (11:01:36 PM) Slick666: we could operate the ubuntu friends groups as a branch of that group (11:01:45 PM) Slick666: alot easier than creating our own (11:01:49 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, we could... (11:01:55 PM) cprofitt: Rochester also has RCSI (11:02:25 PM) cprofitt: but not sure how money gets taken in and spent if you are a sub-group (11:02:30 PM) hal14450: hell rcsi loved us presenting last week (11:02:52 PM) ausimage_oui: partnering wouild be easiest as it probably end a grand or more for us to incorporate (11:03:00 PM) cprofitt: they wanted me to present, but the news letter went out already (11:03:23 PM) hal14450: i'd be willing to bet they'd love the attention gleaned from nyscate and we can hit up a local vendor for a raffle maybe boost the roles in the process (11:03:25 PM) ausimage_oui: we are diverting again :S thouhg (11:03:28 PM) cprofitt: yes, but if some group gets $3000 in are they going to give it all to us... or how would that work (11:03:39 PM) cprofitt: hal14450, they might... (11:03:41 PM) cprofitt: we can ask... (11:03:51 PM) cprofitt: the other option is to get a corporate sponsor (11:04:00 PM) cprofitt: like Brite or System76 (11:04:04 PM) cprofitt: Brite will be there (11:04:05 PM) ausimage_oui: ibm or google? (11:04:10 PM) cprofitt: but not sure if they want to sponsor us (11:04:13 PM) cprofitt: Google might... (11:04:19 PM) cprofitt: IBM would not IMHO (11:04:39 PM) hal14450: i'll pimp for a foss vendor booth (11:04:55 PM) ausimage_oui: get carley ;) (11:05:24 PM) cprofitt: We are still working with Sugar labs and Fedora (11:05:30 PM) ausimage_oui: cool (11:05:34 PM) cprofitt: there may be a FOSS booth there, but it looks like it will not be Ubuntu (11:05:47 PM) ausimage_oui: that wouldbe sad (11:06:00 PM) ausimage_oui: ley move on? (11:06:04 PM) ausimage_oui: lets (11:06:11 PM) cprofitt: yes (11:06:11 PM) cprofitt: lets (11:06:31 PM) cprofitt: who is planning on going to Ontario Linux festival? (11:06:35 PM) Slick666: here (11:06:36 PM) ausimage_oui: OnLinux who plans to attend (11:06:43 PM) cprofitt: I really would like to get a list so we know... (11:06:44 PM) Slick666: (work sponsors me :)) (11:06:52 PM) Slick666: (lets hope they do this year too) (11:06:52 PM) ***ausimage_oui can't (11:06:54 PM) cprofitt: I am going to try to apply for my Visa this week... (11:07:03 PM) ausimage_oui: visa? (11:07:05 PM) cprofitt: but I have to find out what documentation for my birth I have... (11:07:11 PM) Slick666: what? (11:07:17 PM) Slick666: it's ontario (11:07:20 PM) cprofitt: I may need to gather parental information to get the visa (11:07:21 PM) hal14450: OLF (11:07:24 PM) Slick666: it's like Democracy lite up there (11:07:35 PM) ausimage_oui: you only need a passport or edl (11:07:39 PM) cprofitt: and as of July you will need a Visa or special drivers lic. to get back in the states (11:07:47 PM) cprofitt: I am sorry... passport is what I meant (11:08:02 PM) Slick666: Just say your an american and therefor a very important person so let you through (11:08:03 PM) Slick666: ;) (11:08:06 PM) hal14450: and it's land of the scared home of the fascists here when you try and cross the border (11:08:18 PM) cprofitt: they will not Slick666 (11:08:20 PM) ausimage_oui: it is only 30 for the edl on top of your normal license (11:08:23 PM) hal14450: getting out isn't a problem it's getting back in (11:08:26 PM) cprofitt: and if I tell them I was born in Canada... (11:09:09 PM) hal14450: fubar (11:09:37 PM) cprofitt: exactly (11:09:42 PM) hal14450: i got to watch them march all the non white people off the train last year (11:09:52 PM) cprofitt: so I need to see if my certificate of birth is good enough or not for the passport (11:10:02 PM) cprofitt: I will be driving... (11:10:04 PM) cprofitt: no train (11:10:09 PM) cprofitt: and I have priced out the hotel already (11:10:13 PM) cprofitt: $200 for the two nights (11:10:19 PM) hal14450: train is great for relaxing (11:10:29 PM) ausimage_oui: cprofitt: maybe wiki page for those going? (11:10:41 PM) hal14450: just the border trip back in is the worst part (11:11:05 PM) ausimage_oui: to arrange rides and lodhging, meeting up etc (11:11:06 PM) Slick666: Ducky and I will probably be car pooling (11:12:08 PM) ausimage_oui: next then? (11:12:48 PM) Slick666: yes (11:13:11 PM) ausimage_oui: k Loco Approval... (11:13:32 PM) ausimage_oui: next meeting is July... should we go for it? (11:13:37 PM) ausimage_oui: or wait (11:13:39 PM) cprofitt: ausimage_oui, good suggestion (11:13:48 PM) ausimage_oui: yw cprofitt (11:13:53 PM) cprofitt: approval application (11:14:09 PM) cprofitt: I do not want to apply again and have a failed application for the fourth time (11:14:17 PM) ausimage_oui: pleia2: you abouts? (11:14:31 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah me niether (11:14:40 PM) cprofitt: as I look at the benefits I am not even sure they are worth the effort involved (11:14:44 PM) Slick666: what? (11:14:51 PM) Slick666: I'm sorry guys I'm lost somewhere (11:15:14 PM) cprofitt: getting the loco to be an approved loco (11:15:18 PM) ausimage_oui: there is a last step for any loco... (11:15:22 PM) pleia2: what month was the last attempt? (11:15:32 PM) cprofitt: we applied in march and were denied for a second time or third time or what not (11:15:37 PM) cprofitt: March pleia2 (11:15:43 PM) pleia2: I think you're good to reapply (11:15:56 PM) cprofitt: I personally would prefer to put it over the top and wait until January of 2010 (11:15:57 PM) ausimage_oui: what are our chances? (11:16:08 PM) ausimage_oui: pleia2: ? (11:16:10 PM) pleia2: remind them that you applied then, that they said to complete the tasks on the schedule and you should come back in 3 months (11:16:17 PM) pleia2: ausimage_oui: high (11:16:21 PM) pleia2: you did what they asked (11:16:23 PM) cprofitt: by then we may have more activity than 25 or so state combined (11:16:39 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, we did that the last time as well... and got denied (11:16:52 PM) Slick666: hmmmmm (11:16:57 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: howso? (11:17:12 PM) cprofitt: the NY team applied last year and was told to do more... and come back... (11:17:18 PM) pleia2: this time around there were pretty specific instructions on "do more" (11:17:19 PM) cprofitt: we did... (11:17:24 PM) pleia2: yeah, last time it was pretty vague (11:17:38 PM) cprofitt: I can not speak to the other approval meeting as I was not there though (11:17:41 PM) pleia2: they wanted you to complete all the tasks you had planned for these 3 months, you have (11:17:49 PM) cprofitt: so I am going based on ausimage_oui telling me about it (11:18:14 PM) ausimage_oui: i think that was our first time :/ (11:18:24 PM) Slick666: I wouldn't be discouraged about the failed attempts (11:18:32 PM) ausimage_oui: I had it out with getting on the approval schedule (11:18:38 PM) Slick666: as long as we can show progress it shows that there is a real desire in the state :) (11:18:45 PM) pleia2: they did ask you to come back in 3 months with those tasks completed :) (11:18:46 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah (11:18:50 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, I am not discouraged (11:18:58 PM) pleia2: I know (11:19:18 PM) cprofitt: I do think that one more rejection would end the ability of the LoCo group in Rochester to muster members who care about trying though (11:19:27 PM) cprofitt: we had some very strong reactions the last time... (11:19:59 PM) cprofitt: and I think that 'response' would catch more wind this time around (11:20:11 PM) Slick666: do we need to get more people involved (11:20:13 PM) Slick666: ? (11:20:18 PM) cprofitt: that is why my thought was to go for over-kill (11:20:24 PM) cprofitt: like I did with my Ubuntu membership (11:20:30 PM) Slick666: have multiple members write a letter or e-mail (11:20:35 PM) ausimage_oui: Slick666: I think there is some NYS = NYC concern (11:20:44 PM) ausimage_oui: when != (11:20:49 PM) cprofitt: I waited several months after getting told I should apply before I put my application in (11:20:55 PM) cprofitt: and got approved on the first app (11:21:02 PM) pleia2: the NYC folks had a release party organized on facebook, didn't they? (11:21:08 PM) pleia2: even if that was none of you, it can go under your events (11:21:08 PM) ausimage_oui: no (11:21:16 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, they may not have done it... (11:21:19 PM) pleia2: NYS != NYC, but you are in the same state :P (11:21:21 PM) ausimage_oui: they squabbled it to death (11:21:26 PM) pleia2: hmm (11:21:28 PM) cprofitt: they talked about it until the event date past and never actually met (11:21:37 PM) cprofitt: NYC = NYS like Paris = France (11:21:52 PM) pleia2: and yet paris is part of the french loco (11:22:04 PM) ausimage_oui: i feel that maybe our hurdle (11:22:24 PM) cprofitt: true pleia2 but holding back a state due to one part of it not being active is IMHO wrong headed (11:22:26 PM) ausimage_oui: paris is kicking it though (11:22:29 PM) cprofitt: and counter-productive (11:22:35 PM) hal14450: well all i can say is we're FOSS freaks here take it or leave it we'll promote it regardless (11:23:04 PM) cprofitt: I know there is some concern on the team that the NYC issue is what has caused issues (11:23:15 PM) cprofitt: I do not share those views, but perhaps they are correct... (11:23:35 PM) ausimage_oui: pleia2: i think the concern here maybe the ubuntu isa giving some of or communtity may end ruining it (11:23:44 PM) Slick666: is there something we can do down in NYC to help muster support? (11:23:58 PM) Slick666: would that help get the state alligned for an application? (11:24:10 PM) pleia2: ausimage_oui: hm? (11:24:17 PM) cprofitt: Slick666, while that is a valid question why should one city of several in a state be critical? (11:24:40 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: the council likes to see a lot of the potential for a team realized (11:24:43 PM) cprofitt: that is tantamount to saying the rest of the state, regardless of activity level, does not matter (11:24:44 PM) ausimage_oui: some feel ubuntu not pullin their end... and not recognizing them only adds (11:24:47 PM) Slick666: the same reason the politician only stick to NYC (11:24:53 PM) Slick666: people (11:25:02 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, so NY City is what they are really after? (11:25:04 PM) Slick666: you could also argue..... (11:25:14 PM) cprofitt: Perhaps they should do what they did for Chicago then (11:25:19 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: no, that's not the impression I got (11:25:24 PM) cprofitt: and let the rest of NY State not be tied to the dead weight (11:25:25 PM) Slick666: if they can't make it in NYC, why should the reast of the state florish (11:25:29 PM) pleia2: but there is a feeling of "you have the biggest city in the country in your state, why not have events there?" (11:25:30 PM) cprofitt: ah... pleia2 good... (11:25:33 PM) Slick666: while I don't agree it might be a perspective (11:25:37 PM) cprofitt: I would have been shocked if they did... (11:25:44 PM) pleia2: pennsylvania wouldn't have gotten approved without Philadelphia and Pittsburg having done stuff (11:25:51 PM) hal14450: we do our part here so canonical can acknowledge that and ride our coattails or let us keep on truckin' (11:26:08 PM) pleia2: it might hurt your team since NYC can't get their act together, but it helps smaller teams (11:26:20 PM) pleia2: you can't expect new jersey to be as active as france, for instance (11:26:39 PM) pleia2: but jersey had events as their little state could handle, did a lot of work (11:26:41 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, so even if Rochester, Buffalo, Ithaca and Waterloo have events they will not be satisfied due to NYC not having events (11:26:50 PM) Slick666: I'm thinking we might have an opportunity for an inroad to NYC (11:26:55 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: I didn't say that, I was explaining the reason why they would like to see NYC events (11:26:57 PM) cprofitt: Most of Jersey is closer to NY City than I am (11:27:12 PM) pleia2: 23:24:17 < cprofitt> Slick666, while that is a valid question why should one city of several in a state be critical? <-- answering this (11:27:32 PM) ausimage_oui: hmmm (11:27:35 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, I am sorry... getting confused with hypotheticals and reality (11:27:50 PM) Slick666: if I might step in here (11:27:57 PM) ausimage_oui: pleia2: do you thinkwe can argue for a split? (11:28:00 PM) Slick666: the 2010 Debian conference is scheduled for NYC (11:28:06 PM) cprofitt: I will be honest if the efforts of many are wasted simple because we live in the wrong geographic location that would be offensive (11:28:08 PM) Slick666: (first time in USA) (11:28:27 PM) pleia2: ausimage_oui: no, but I think your upstate work is plenty (as I've said, you've done what the council asked) (11:28:34 PM) ausimage_oui: k (11:28:54 PM) ausimage_oui: just wondering (11:28:56 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, so you agree that NY City is not a holding back factor (11:29:03 PM) hal14450: i'm not getting down on NYC here myself since there is activity there it's just such a massive city you really can't expect them to get it together like upstate without some hiccups (11:29:19 PM) ausimage_oui: hiccups? (11:29:44 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: yes, but I don't think it'll get in the way of approval (11:29:53 PM) ***ausimage_oui would claasify their situation a little worse (11:30:27 PM) hal14450: we're like a few apartment buildings compared to NYC (11:31:08 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah but i sometimes feel it is a different world from us (11:31:21 PM) hal14450: because it is (11:31:27 PM) ausimage_oui: but that digressess (11:31:27 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: boredandblogging in #ubuntu-us is friendly :) might want to give him a nudge to look over your app if you're unsure (11:31:36 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: explain the concern about another failed attempt (11:31:59 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, that is a good idea... (11:32:08 PM) ausimage_oui: pleia2: you have ideas on getting support to attend nyscate? (11:32:25 PM) cprofitt: do you think there would be harm in going for the over-kill approach and waiting until December / January? (11:32:28 PM) pleia2: financial support? (11:32:30 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: nah (11:32:34 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah (11:32:37 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, already helped me ausimage_oui (11:32:45 PM) cprofitt: she helped me talk to jcastro (11:32:49 PM) ausimage_oui: oh k just windering (11:33:01 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, the only issue I have is I have not gotten a response back from jcastro (11:33:21 PM) cprofitt: my assumption is that the answer is no, and do not want to bother him or jono repeatedly (11:33:34 PM) cprofitt: as that may harm chances for backing later (another year) (11:33:39 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: I think you're right that it's no :( (11:34:01 PM) pleia2: cprofitt: was it just a single email? A poke about it might not be a waste of time (11:34:16 PM) pleia2: canonical typically doesn't lend financial support to locos though (11:34:57 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, it was two emails, three or four pokes and a question to SABDFL during open week (11:35:09 PM) pleia2: ah (11:35:33 PM) pleia2: did sabdfl give a clear answer? (11:35:41 PM) cprofitt: no (11:35:50 PM) pleia2: unsurprising :) (11:35:57 PM) cprofitt: asked me to talk to jcastro or jono (11:36:03 PM) ***pleia2 nods (11:36:38 PM) ausimage_oui: we have only upcoming left so when we are ready... (11:36:56 PM) cprofitt: I am ready (11:37:03 PM) ausimage_oui: k... (11:37:30 PM) ausimage_oui: I have only one announcement here... (11:38:26 PM) ausimage_oui: I am working on a lug for my area... (11:38:45 PM) ausimage_oui: It is tenatively called ULLU finger lakes (11:38:57 PM) Slick666: Upper Lake Linux Users (11:39:00 PM) Slick666: ;) (11:39:10 PM) ausimage_oui: http://linux.ausimage.us/ <=website (11:39:47 PM) cprofitt: nice make sure you spam some Linux message boards (11:39:53 PM) cprofitt: like linuxquestions.org etc (11:40:10 PM) ausimage_oui: so if you are out between Rochester Syracuse and Ithaca check the site (11:40:30 PM) ausimage_oui: ahhh... I am not on many of those boards :/ (11:40:30 PM) TheDukeNY: sorry I can't add to the conversation, it has been interesting but I need to be up early for something important tomorrow. I will keep you updated. good night (11:40:42 PM) ausimage_oui: thanks TheDukeNY (11:40:54 PM) Slick666: night (11:41:12 PM) ausimage_oui: I think Lugor and Rochester Loco have a pile of activity planned there... (11:41:19 PM) TheDukeNY: Oh (11:41:38 PM) TheDukeNY: And the problem with getting NYC together is because of the cost issue, I really think it boils down to cost (11:41:46 PM) TheDukeNY: hopefully these BN college places can help (11:41:52 PM) ausimage_oui: not sure about buffalo, syracuse, binghamton, ithaca, albany etc (11:41:55 PM) TheDukeNY: I told cp I will give them a call (11:42:12 PM) cprofitt: TheDukeNY, I will try to research more places as well... (11:42:14 PM) ausimage_oui: cool TheDukeNY we don (11:42:19 PM) TheDukeNY: once again good nite (11:42:25 PM) ausimage_oui: we don't encounter that here as mch (11:42:27 PM) cprofitt: getting a faculty sponsor from an IT department can help as well (11:42:32 PM) cprofitt: night TheDukeNY (11:43:09 PM) ausimage_oui: I think that finishes the agenda (11:43:21 PM) ausimage_oui: anything that needs to be added? (11:43:28 PM) cprofitt: no (11:43:32 PM) TheDukeNY is now known as TheDukeNY-afk (11:43:41 PM) cprofitt: I do think we need to move the meeting to 9pm permanently (11:43:55 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, and I are involved in an 8pm meeting on some Mondays (11:44:07 PM) cprofitt: pleia2, thanks for giving us advice... you are always helpful and supportive (11:44:08 PM) ausimage_oui: that is fine with me (11:44:15 PM) pleia2: quite welcome (11:44:18 PM) ausimage_oui: yeah pleia2thanks a ton (11:45:47 PM) ausimage_oui: k lets adjourn then